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    "text": " Welcome, everyone.",
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    "text": " Additionally, without objection, the following members are waved on to the subcommittee for",
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    "text": " Mr. Burchard of Tennessee, Ms. Luna of Florida, Mr. Getz of Florida, Mr. Burleson of Missouri,",
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    "text": " Mrs. Ocasio-Cortez of New York, and Mr. Ogles of Tennessee.",
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    "text": " For today's subcommittee hearing, both the Chair and Ranking Member will have 10 minutes",
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    "text": " for opening remarks.",
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    "text": " We may both be giving some of those minutes to other members of our party.",
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    "text": " I'm now going to recognize myself for 10 minutes.",
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    "text": " Good morning and welcome to the most exciting subcommittee in Congress this week, the Subcommittee",
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    "text": " on National Security of the Board and Foreign Affairs, for discussion of Unidentified Anomalous",
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    "text": " I'd like to thank the brave military pilots and personnel, such as the witnesses on the",
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    "text": " Thank you all for being here.",
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    "text": " Thank you, Mr. Chairman.",
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